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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:36:00 -
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Tavin Aikisen wrote: even tried to re-brand Maxis. 
Yeah! They totally should have left Maxis alone. It's not like they had gone completely and totally bankrupt after a long series of awful games that were poorly-designed financial failures or anything. It was totally EA's fault. If only they had left Maxis alone! |
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Posted - 2013.07.02 15:20:00 -
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3rr0rc0d3 wrote:but it is worrying that he immediately steps into a position involving both EVE and Dust.
Absolutely. I cannot imagine a more confusing scenario than the VP of product development stepping ino a position that involves the company's products.
Wait, yes I can. It would be way more confusing if his position somehow didn't involve EVE and Dust. |
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Posted - 2013.07.02 15:27:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:Perhaps a solid statement of intent from the new VP could calm some fears and distrust ?
Yeah, 'cause nothing says forethought like publicly announcing what you're going to do after your first 6 hours on the job. |
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Posted - 2013.07.02 15:41:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:Do you believe he got the job without having a good idea and mindset about what it entails and how he might be able to 'improve" things for CCP ?
Yes, I do. That's how hires like this always work because in order to truly develop a comprehensive strategy he would need access to trade and industry secrets and internal development information that CCP would not just hand over to someone they hadn't already decided to hire.
Quote:This is a VP you're talking about here
Yup.
Quote:A Bloke like this is well-briefed and got the job because of ideas he proposed in order to seal the deal on the job.
Nah, not really. I mean, you would like to think so, but I went through several hires like this in my career. CEOs, Presidents, VPs, directors, etc. they come in basically blind, take a few months to learn the ropes, then pitch their ideas. If their ideas take, then they move forward. If not, they move on to another company. Why do you think guys like this are changing jobs so often?
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Posted - 2013.07.02 16:02:00 -
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Phoenix Jones wrote:EA is a black eye on good games.
We're looking to see what Baaaaad crap comes down.
DLC... Will kill the game
Expansion purchases, can't work no way to segregate the population, which also kills the game.
Any odd idiotic move will wreck the economy.
Any "special list" or "Elitist Gold" equipment will just **** the populous off.
Special "buff potions" will **** and unbalance all pvp.
Skillpoint gaining potions/implants will wreck the market, character bazaar, and cause animosity to those who skill their chars vs those who now megabuffskill characters.
Quaff Potion of Baseless Speculation.
Plug in "Total BS" implant.
Inject "Making Stuff Up" and Add Level 1 to queue.
Start posting.
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Posted - 2013.07.02 18:17:00 -
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Daisai wrote:Should we add ccp yet to the list of developers that EA has killed ?
Who is on that list, again?
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Posted - 2013.07.03 03:11:00 -
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Yeah! Totally. It's not like it's 50% of their entire product lineup or anything.
Nah, no big guns necessary. |
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Posted - 2013.07.03 04:56:00 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:EVE doesnt compete with WoW, though, MMO isnt a "genre", its a medium of play with many genres within.
I agree that MMO is not a genre, but it's silly to say that EVE and WoW are not in direct competition. It's not like people have a genre and they only play games in that genre and nothing else. I don't play EVE because it's a space game, I play EVE because it's a very well done MMO with good balancing, excellent mechanics, and a skill training that appeals to me.
EVE and WoW compete not because they share a genre, but because people have limited leisure hours to devote to gaming and research shows that one MMO just about eats up an entire customer's worth of leisure time. Unlike, say, an average console game which can be played alongside other console games, very few gamers play more than one MMO. So once they're hooked on WoW, they're going to have to kick the habit in order to pick up EVE and Vice Versa. This is the essence of MMO marketshare. Games compete for player's time and given the commitment required to excel at most MMO's, all MMO's compete with each other for the same basic demographic of players.
Though CCP might do well to figure out why girls don't want to play EVE. |
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Posted - 2013.07.03 06:12:00 -
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Anna Djan wrote:
You misunderstand.
NO ONE plays eve for free. If someone buys a PLEX, soome one else has paid cash for it. All plexes on the market are player generated (even when CCP seed some they liquidate assets from banned accounts to do so).
That's not all he doesn't seem to understand. He seems woefully uninformed about how game companies budget for projects.
It's okay, though, because he writes a lot of words. So it kind of looks like he knows what he's talking about. |
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Posted - 2013.07.03 06:53:00 -
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[quote=Destination SkillQueue]EA has been the steady destroyer of great gaming franchises for decades now./quote]
Eh, not really. Most of this is the internet hate-machine circlejerk in full swing. EA has made a few missteps, most notably with Origin and Bullfrog, but most of their other acquisitions were of companies that had more or less done themselves in and were going to go under w/o EA's dollar. Perhaps the games those companies subsequently made didn't live up to expectation, but saying that EA "killed" them is a huge stretch.
Maxis is a classic example. Everyone loves to put the death of Maxis at EA's feet, but the fact is Maxis pre-EA had pretty much one success story: SimCity, and they blew all that money making a TON of games that went absolutely nowhere and were abysmal failures like SimCopter and Sim Safari and Streets of Sim City. EA bought them, and what did we get? The Sims, one of the longest-running and most financially successful franchises in gaming history.
Say what you will but without EA, Maxis would have been dust in the wind.
Another good one is "EA killed Pandemic!" which is total bunk. Pandemic killed Pandemic. They had nowhere else to go.
A massive part of the reason EA acquisitions tend to go south is that people get all self-important and stage massive walk-outs after an acquisition. This is exactly what happened at Maxis, for example. EA was actually more than willing to let Maxis go on doing what they were doing on their own without too much oversight, but a ton of employees got all holier-than-thou and walked out instead, so EA had to come in and shore up the walls. And guess what? When 60%+ of your talent walks out the door, no matter WHO is at the helm, you're not going to have the same company after the fact that you did before. People tend to place far too much emphasis on management when it comes to game studios. Games get made in the trenches, by designers, artists and engineers. CEO's and executive directors don't make games. They set high-level strategy goals, but it's the grunts that crank out the gold (or the ****) so frankly a big part of why EA has such a ****** reputation for acquisitions is that people simply don't stay on the job.
Everyone always cries and moans "Oh, EA exerts so much influence after they buy companies" like, yeah, no ****, Sherlock. You don't save a sinking ship by slapping the Captain on the back, giving him a cigar and saying "Keep up the good work!"
EA has had some questionable practices, and certainly isn't a shining beacon on the hill of good game design principles, but they're also not the Devil Incarnate that the internet likes to make them out to be. They're generally just doing their best to follow markets and make money and they have put a lot of developers, designers and artists to work who would have otherwise had nowhere to go.
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Posted - 2013.07.03 07:03:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Molly Molou wrote:Just tried to post something critical of micro transactions and got a 404 message. Amazing. Don't worry, 1000 Cartel Coins and you are allowed back to post!
See? Here again, we're supposed to blame EA for being "Big Evil" and bringing Cartel Coins to SWTOR.
Except SWTOR was an enormously abysmal failure BEFORE EA imposed this design paradigm. They had their chance and they absolutely blew it in every way so EA stepped in and did something about it.
And guess what? The Cartel Coin system has rescued SWTOR. They're making more money now than they ever did with subscriptions, and people are returning in droves to try the game again now that it's a no-risk proposition. So, instead of shutting the game down, closing the doors and relegating it to the dustbin of failed MMO's, EA stepped up and did something that basically ensured the continued existence of the game.
Oh, but they're terrible, awful, evil assholes for doing it I guess. Right?
Come on.
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Posted - 2013.07.03 07:14:00 -
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Posted - 2013.07.03 07:16:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:
Actually, Maxis made The Sims before EA bought them out, and were successful before the buyout (my original The Sims game is Maxis).
Nope. Your original Sims game is Maxis because EA let them keep the brand and logo. EA acquired them when they were still working on SimCity 2000. |
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Posted - 2013.07.03 15:37:00 -
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Rumtin wrote:This is quite possibly amoung one of the worst things CCP could do to EvE Online
Nothing?
Nothing is quite possibly "amoung" the worst things CCP could do to EVE?
Because that's what you've got to ***** about so far.
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Posted - 2013.07.03 16:45:00 -
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KnowUsByTheDead wrote:You know, under normal circumstances, I think it would a lot less of an issue. But it had now been 24 hours, and CCP has yet to press release.
What are you talking about? This thread started with a press release.
Quote:Decker has yet to address the playerbase.
One day on the job is sufficient time in your view to "address the playerbase" of a game with which he hasn't even been confirmed to be directly involved? What's he going to say besides "Hello!" exactly?
Quote:And it has nothing to do with paranoia. It has to do with the hundreds and possibly thousands of players that subscribe to this game, month after month, pouring their hard earned dollars into it.
What aobut them?
Quote:Because I did find this absolutely magical place, ironically my "first mmo," not the "other one."
How is that in any way ironic?
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Posted - 2013.07.03 18:11:00 -
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Jarac Raasen wrote:That sounds like a typical EA tactic. Take a beloved developer, buy it out and then start pumping out garbage that pisses off the old fans and eventually destroys the company. Next step, move on and repeat the cycle. I'm all for giving people a chance... but my experiences with EA (Westwood, Pandemic, Maxis, BioWare) do not leave me feeling good about the situation. It's like no matter where I go, EA is there, following me. 
Repeat after me: Pandemic was already bankrupt and a failure when EA bought them. Maxis was already bankrupt and a failure when EA bought them. Neither of these companies were "victims" by any stretch of the imgination.
Most of the companies that EA "ruined" were ruined because staff walked out upon acquisition, and EA was only able to make an acquisition strategically because the companies were failing to put out financially successful titles. EA is not the devil.
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Am I the only one who actually can see this guy bring down CCP just so EA can buy it and its franchises?
Yes. The key to profit is to ruin a product before you pay a bunch of money for it... winning strategy, that. |
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Posted - 2013.07.03 18:28:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Actually, that's EA games' strategy with everything. Throw massive amounts of money at it.
Right, but why would they run the product into the ground/ruin it first? If they want the company for the value of its franchises, why would they ruin the franchises before buying? Makes no sense. Don't try to back pedal off your nonsense. |
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Posted - 2013.07.03 18:34:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:
That's the sum of it.
So if anyone is going to complain about EA, you can, but they'll never respond no matter how much trolling and yelling.
Yeah, not like they've recently demonstrated exactly the opposite is true or anything.
EA has made a ton of changes to Origin and recent offerings based on player and community feedback. Still making more mistakes than good decisions, on the whole, but saying they're not listening is just ignorant of reality.
EA deserves about 25% of the hate it gets online. The other 75% is just bandwagon, circlejerk, "Hey, look at me, I hate EA too!" huff-and-puff. It's kind of silly.
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Posted - 2013.07.03 18:43:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:It'll be cheaper...first off
But you just got done explaining that they're willing to throw a bunch of money at things. They don't need cheap. They have money in the bank to pay for things if they're worth it.
Quote:, then they could rebuild the game as they see fit
So instead of just starting a new product development which would be infinitely cheaper, your theory is that they are going to INFILTRATE another company with a highly-paid employee, slowly ruin the franchise so it's basically worthless, still pay a TON of money to buy a now-worthless product, all so they can rebuild it after having ruined it and lost a bunch of subscriptions and gotten a ton of bad press?
THAT'S your theory?
Haha. Come on. Seriously. Can we have a serious discussion grounded in something resembling reality? |
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Posted - 2013.07.04 02:08:00 -
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Six Six Six wrote:PLEX is a bit like buying a store gift card. Use it for a service, give it away or trade it in-game.
Yes. And buying a gift card in-game would be a microtransaction.
EVE's entire economy is built around and most of their revenue already comes from microtransactions. But OUTRAGE and FURIOUS CONDEMNATION nevertheless.
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Posted - 2013.07.04 03:33:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:This is what I know about EA from BF2142:
Oh, and only 8 years ago? I'm sure all your lessons still apply.
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Posted - 2013.07.09 18:50:00 -
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Dude, the last page and a half of this thread is just you talking to yourself. Shut up and let it die? |
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Posted - 2013.07.09 18:55:00 -
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Sorry, Sherlock. Not an alt. |
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